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[Erratic_Knight]

If not you are missing probable the greatest show on tv... It was just the season finale for season 5 and next season is the last season. Anyway i didn't know if anyone watched cuz it's worth talking about. If not, go to netflix or something and watch all 5 seasons...

[bonedead]

That's been on my list for a while, right up there with Battlestar Galactica and also Band of Brothers. I've had this list for a while, some day I'll get around to it.

[WinnebagoWarrior]

I watched the first season, it was pretty cool. After that, it got pretty fucking retarded.

[Darthus]

I watched the first season, it was pretty cool. After that, it got pretty fucking retarded.

I'd say the opposite. The first season was very mundane and boring. It's only into season 2 etc where it starts throwing questions that make it interesting. Season 3 was stupid with the love affair in the cage and all that, but ever since Season 4 they've been answering more questions than asking, which has made it very cool. And now the whole show has taken on pretty serious religious allegory, which is always cool.

Anyways, yeah, why post this on here EK, I'd like to talk about it, but we can't without spoiling it for people.

[Siddhartha]

I didnt see the first 3 seasons, but I saw the finale for season 3 because my friend was into it, and that made me go back and read the wiki on those seasons and I started watching in season 4. This year, my DVR stopped recording them on Mar23, so I haven't seen any since then (where Locke was killed by Ben). I NEED to catch up

[WinnebagoWarrior]

Religious allegory is cool, but goddamn predictable. With all the building up of secrets and mysteries and stuff they have done for the past 4 or 5 years on that show, I was hoping they were gonna blow everyone away with sometime amazing and innovative and interesting. Religious allegory was the obvious route to take in my opinion.

[Nubs]

It was a good season finale. However who the fuxk is jacob.

[Darthus]

It was a good season finale. However who the fuxk is jacob.

He's a member of Atlantis, who was worshiped as a god by both the Greeks (Apollo bar in Jack's flashback) and Egyptians, since Atlantis was originally in the Mediterranean sea, but now it's been teleporting around the world, which is why Atlantis seemed to disappear from where it's mentioned in history.

Hence names like Ricardus etc.

Oh, spoiler alert.

Oh #2, go Google Sobek and look at the statue for some real fun.

[Erratic_Knight]

He's a member of Atlantis, who was worshiped as a god by both the Greeks (Apollo bar in Jack's flashback) and Egyptians, since Atlantis was originally in the Mediterranean sea, but now it's been teleporting around the world, which is why Atlantis seemed to disappear from where it's mentioned in history.

Hence names like Ricardus etc.

Oh, spoiler alert.

Oh #2, go Google Sobek and look at the statue for some real fun.

I had a different theory...

SPOILERS...

I basically build off of the opening scene in tonight's finale.

1. I think Jacob is the Egyptian God Osiris. "Osiris- The god of the Afterlife. Osiris reigned over the Afterworld as judge of the dead. When Osiris, the oldest, was born, a loud voice said "The lord of all the earth is born."Seth, his brother, was born hating Osiris."

2. I think the man Jacob was talking to on the beach in the opening scene is his brother, the Egyptian god Seth (or Set)"Seth, is associated with thunder, the desert and infertility. Some ancient Egyptian people considered Seth to be none other than evil incarnate. His evil deeds involve the murder of his brother, Osiris."

3. Lastly I think that Richard is Horus. "Horus- The sky god, was told by his mother, Isis, to protect the people of Egypt from Set. Since Horus (represented as a falcon) was said to be the sky, he was considered to also contain the sun and moon; the sun was his right eye (light) and the moon his left (dark). The Eye of Horus became an important Egyptian symbol of power & renewal. Horus was also said to be a war god and a hunter's god."

Following this train of thought, I believe that Jacob and that guy (Osiris and Seth) live on the island (as gods) and Jacob sort of tests or observes many individuals and has been for some time. This angers his brother as was mentioned during the beach scene. In fact that man complains that the same thing ends up occurring whenever some arrive at the island. The ship in the distance they see I believe is the black rock (edited ty), and I think Richard is aboard. Now, in order to prevent some cycle from occurring (not exactly sure what yet) I believe Jacob grants Richard the gift of immortality (essentially becoming Horus) in order to help the island inhabitants along or perhaps observe them more closely. After all Richard is on the island throughout basically all of the island instances we've seen and acts as an "advisor" to Jacob.

Additionally I believe this has been going on in a cycle because as we've seen from tonight's finale Jacob is ever so slightly nudging the losties to get them to return to the island (in order to see if the cycle will continue or not) for example if he doesn't give the pen to James he doesn't write the letter to sawyer if he doesn't ask for directions Sayed's (sp?) wife doesn't die thus preventing him from the island. BUT Jacob's big thing seems to hinging on the fact that he wants to see if the cycle will continue and thus he always says that "all you need is a nudge" or "you have a choice". But now that Seth (the man on the beach) has found a way to kill (just like he said he would on the beach) a god, (his brother and the loophole)Horus or Richard must avenge Jacob (Osiris's death).

Lastly this episode almost proves that the cycle will always continue because of the nuke detonation. Miles noted that the nuke explosion could be the event that sparks the chain of events they were trying to prevent. And we can see that the same magnetic activity occurred when Desmond stops pressing the button in the hatch and in order to remedy this problem he turns the key under the hatch which essentially blows up the core mirroring Juliette's nuke explosion. The cycle continues...

Finally I would like to note Egyptian tale regarding the legend of Osiris that states there will be 2 sides on the battlefield, those who support Horus (Richard) and those who support Seth (Now Locke). When Horus wins, the world is at peace. When Set wins, the world is in turmoil... My Lost link involves the fact that Widmore spoke of a battle that would occur when he was providing Locke with the whereabouts of all the losties after leaving the island. Widmore tells Locke that he must chose a side because the wrong one is about to win. Therefore Richard's side and the "good guys" the people with Frank the pilot are on one side, and now locke is at the helm of the other. (In the past the sides have been the others vs darma).

[Darthus]

CONTINUING SPOILERS

Well, that's quite a bit of speculation that leaves out a decent amount of conflicting information.

For example, why is Jacob weaving a tapestry with Greek letters on it, Jack buys an "Apollo" bar and both Jacob and the black dressed guy are dressed in Greek clothing? My conception includes that Jacob and the black dressed guy represent both Egyptian and Greek gods, and the concept for the gods of both these cultures came from Jacob and the other guy. Why would both these cultures get their gods from them? Because both Egypt and Greece share the mediteranian sea, where Atlantis was supposed to be. Plus you're leaving out that the statue Jacob is in is Sobek from Egyptian myth. I think there is little to no evidence that Richard is Horus, aside from that he follows Jacob and advises the leader of the Others.

Also this part:

Additionally I believe this has been going on in a cycle because as we've seen from tonight's finale Jacob is ever so slightly nudging the losties to get them to return to the island (in order to see if the cycle will continue or not) for example if he doesn't give the pen to James he doesn't write the letter to sawyer if he doesn't ask for directions Sayed's (sp?) wife doesn't die thus preventing him from the island.

That's not true. Both Sayid and his wife are walking into the street. Jacob only stops Sayid for directions. Sayid's wife walks on and is killed. If Jacob hadn't stopped him, they both would have died. So in essence he saved Sayid, not killed Sayid's wife. Plus you're missing Jacob telling Kate not to steal and telling Hurley he's not crazy. You're also leaving out why he's nudging instead of forcing. He believes in free will, so all he can do is nudge. Hence why he emphases to Hurley that it's his choice of whether or not to go back. He definitely wants them for some purpose (they were on his list that was given to Ben in like season 2), but we don't know why yet.

The black dressed guy in their original conversation, is saying man is fated to war and just kill each other forever. Jacob believes in choice and free will. That is their main difference and argument.

Oh, and the black dressed guy IS the smoke monster btw. Notice, the black dressed guy is able to appear as Locke. Locke is dead on the island. Think back to Jack's dad, Libby, Mr. Eko's brother, charlie, all of which have appeared to people after they were dead on the island. The black dressed dude is able to shift his appearance to look like anyone who's body is on the island. Same reason he was able to appear as Ben's daughter (as the smoke monster), who told Ben to "obey Locke", although Locke was really the black dressed dude, who just wanted Ben to kill Jacob.

I think going too far into who is who in Egyptian myth and what that means about who they are stretches the facts (that there is egyptian imagery around). Jacob and the black dressed dude likely have significance in both Greek and Egyptian myth from the hints that have been shown, but who they are and what that means is up for grabs. Atlantis handles both types of hints, while saying they're Osiris or Set only handles one.

[Giiizmo]

Lost: Desperate Housewives for Men

[Gukag]

I'm kind of glad I stopped watching it when it still made some sense. I guess if you watch the whole thing and the plot gets introduced piece by piece it might not seem as ridiculous. I mean seriously...Egyptian mythological gods reincarnated as the characters? Atlantis? All this magic/religion/legend stuff is not really the way I imagined it going.

[Siddhartha]

Im still behind, and I dont mind reading spoilers at all. Even if this ISNT the explanation, I think you both have great ideas. I assume they are original thoughts and not cNp from somewhere else... if thats true, then you guys have REALLY put a lot of thought into this ....

[Darthus]

I'm kind of glad I stopped watching it when it still made some sense. I guess if you watch the whole thing and the plot gets introduced piece by piece it might not seem as ridiculous. I mean seriously...Egyptian mythological gods reincarnated as the characters? Atlantis? All this magic/religion/legend stuff is not really the way I imagined it going.

Right Gukag. You need to watch it from Season One for this to not seem like bullshit. The show does a good job of grounding itself in reality, getting the viewer to buy into the show being set in the real world and then very gradually introducing concepts like time travel (at the start of Season 5) and now mythology. Plus in my view I don't think they're egyptian gods reincarnated. I think they are powerful human beings who are able to harness whatever the island's got going on that were viewed as gods by ancient people. I also don't think it's "Atlantis" as we think about it commonly. Once again I think it's just a society of people who were seen as being highly advanced in history.

The reason I like Lost is I think it demands a lot from the viewer. Most shows are passive entertainment and that's what separates them from games, which are interactive. Lost requires you engage with the show and think about it both during and after to really appreciate it. Not to mention there is a huge amount of commentary on things like faith, free will, reason, all that and a huge amount of allegory. Like a good book, it's a show that could be watched over and over and more and more meaning would come from it. I think that's REALLY unique in a television show and I wouldn't be surprised if we see college courses discussing it after it's over.

[Nubs]

I like pudding pops.

[Darthus]

I like pudding pops.

Is that what you call those things you got at your anal exploration conference?